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    April 24, 2007

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    Sanket

    Oh snap - you beat me to the punch. I was going to do a review & post songs on my website next week to commemorate the record setting 600th week of this movie playing at a theater in India. Oh well, I can always link to yours as a 'bonus' :) I completely agree about the movie & songs - I am glad I am not the only one to think Lata was past her prime in this one. You are a legend Lataji but it was time to retire with some grace.

    Daddy's Girl

    I will always have a special place in my heart for this film. It was the movie that got me 'back' into Bollywood, the bridge between my childhood experience of Hindi films and my ongoing grown-up love for them. I saw it (very appropriately) just a few days before my brother's wedding, a wedding that took place far from home and proved to be a watershed event for my family - it was the last time (since then) that we were all together, oblivious to what lay ahead, trusting, dancing the night away and just so happy. So DDLJ is very important to me personally, inextricably bound up with so many emotions and special moments. This film is also important to me for other less earth-shaking reasons - it was the first time I saw SRK and Kajol together and fell for them, both separately and as a couple (I didn't like SRK at all for the first hour or so of the movie, but he grew on me). It was the first time I got to be terrified by Amrish Puri. And I love the music despite its imperfections. Thanks for your thoughtful review (and apologies for the long comment!)

    Sanni

    I figured you wouldn't absolutely love this film like many do. And no harm done, as you already have your 90's classic romance pick-me-up Bollywood film of choice - HAHK. I'm glad you enjoyed it in general, but I have one small bone to pick.

    one cannot be sure that he isn't lying to Simran just as well as he lies to her family.
    When I read this, it makes me go "hmmmm". If I replace "one" with "Carla", however, I can accept it - it's just one view. I personally didn't see Raj's deception as so terribly deceptive. He's being himself, after all, he's not going his way to hide his true being as he's the same charming guy as he is, though perhaps a bit more G-rated. His motive is to win them over, as he knows there is no go with just walking up to Simran's father and asking for her hand boldly.

    His plan isn't flawless - I would even argue it's rather naive and he didn't perhaps think it through up to the last detail. But it's genuine and he's just doing his utmost for her and him to be together.

    I suppose there are glitches in any movie - you start to think about something, then analyze it, then discover it doesn't work for you, and then you talk to people who saw the movie and find they didn't even notice it - and DDLJ probably has a ton of these. You're right in that if you overlook such, it works fine. Sometimes you can't overlook them, that's okay too.

    I don't really see why you had doubts about him telling Simran the truth, though. He's doing it all for her and for the sake of them being together. He doesn't seem to have any reason to lie to her which is why I don't think he ever did lie.

    Beth

    I'm also not a mega-fan of this movie, but the more movies I watch, the more I think I should revisit some of the classics that I didn't adore - while it's fine that I don't adore them, I'd like to understand my reactions more and think about them further.

    I do think Raj is inherently prone to - or at least open to - duplicitousness. It's pretty clear that he has not had the most noble of upbringings; he's not a monster, but he's a bit of a weak-willed gadabout. While I don't doubt that he loves Simran, I also think he might be a bit caught up in his scheme and the potential glory of "winning." Not entirely, and I certainly don't think he is more interested in his scheme than he is in its purpose/inspiration, but I think his youthful male arroagance enters into it a little bit. But I also find that consistent with his character, so it doesn't really bother me. If he were to be completey different person once he hit Indian soil, that would be enough of a volte face to be troubling. And what's Raj going to be like after the train pulls out of the station? Is he going to keep with his India ego? Or is he going to revert back to the London version of himself?

    The more I think about this, the less sure I am that I understand who Raj really is. Then again, he's 23 or whatever, so he probably doesn't know either.

    Oh, and great point about how awful the "true Indian" boy is. He's one of the classic arses of Indian cinema, in my opinion, the prime example of which is the jerky bully boyfriend in Koi Mil Gaya.

    carla

    Sanket ji: Please do a post on the DDLJ soundtrack; I'd love to hear what you have to say about it. I am always a little afraid of criticizing Lata because some people are very vehement that she still sounds wonderful to this day. I admit that I don't hear it though.

    Sanni ji: I had a feeling this post would catch me a Sanni. :) I hope it goes without saying that I'm only expressing my own views here; and I think we both knew ahead of time that DDLJ is not the kind of film that would curl my toes - I'm not a romance type of person generally, I think. And I did like the film, perhaps even more than I thought I would. Having said that, I just don't agree with you that Raj had no motivation to lie. The conquest itself was motivation enough. And when Amrish Puri goes off on him toward the end, it is for the deception - not for loving his daughter, but for falsely ingratiating himself to the family, basing their entire relationship on a lie. I just don't see any evidence that the ingratiating Raj is any more the "real" Raj than the one who lied to Simran's father to score beer. Indeed they are the same - turning it on when it's convenient, to get him something he wants. At any rate, I stress that these things distracted from the movie less than the volume of discussion suggests - I just can't think too much about it.

    Also - to Daddy's Girl too - it might not have been clear enough in my review that I completely understand why this film would be special to someone wired a little differently from me. No, it's not my favorite movie ever - but it's not something I would toss away without a thought either. Note that it got one of my longest reviews!

    Finally, to my lengthy paragraph above I'll add a hearty "what Beth said" - she captures very well what I mean in my criticism of Raj, and why I don't think it makes him a bad person (though I personally wouldn't be attracted to him).

    yves

    Hi Carla,
    Nice review... I'll let you know when I do mine, because there is a lot to say about DDLJ: this amazing 600 weeks also struck me as a sign: there must be something specially attractive in the movie!

    yves

    Hi Carla,

    As promised, the DDLJ "review" is available (Ta da!). I've tried my best to be faithful to my impressions, but you'll tell me whether I might not have been too severe.
    (Cos in fact I do love the film!)
    Cheers,
    Yves

    kalsang

    best movie ever...luv shahrukh and kajol in this film..they r the best..they looked really cute//

    Poonam

    Hi Carla,
    I saw this movie after hearing so much about it and absolutely hated so many things about it!
    One can watch this movie on two levels: One as pure entertainment, good looking actors, great locales, wonderful songs and excellent acting.
    On the other hand I watched it as the parent of a young daughter and was disgusted by the hateful male chauvinistic attitude of the lead characters. The father is primitive and vicious. There is no doubt he loves Simren, but only on his terms. He decides to marry her off to some person X regardless of her feelings (I have seen this happen to a few Indian girls in my life and it is always an ugly scenario).
    The boyfriend is also another despicable character! He comes to India to win over the girl and basically has no plan! He seems to be crossing his fingers and hoping for the best. The mother has the most realistic assessment of the situation when she tells him to take the girl and elope. There is nothing throughout the movie which shows that the father's character will soften towards a guy like Raj.
    The most galling thing about the whole movie for me was Simren's sheep like personality. Hard to believe this girl grew up in England! Does she have a role to play in her own destiny? Dad says marry Indian guy in Punjab and off she goes. How about getting an education and a job? Did these womenfolk ever stand up for themselves or verbalize their needs?
    I would have loved to see an ending where Simren tells both her dad and Raj to get lost, goes back to England, gets a job and finds a man who had some respect for her. But these apparently are not traditional Indian values that Indian movies can show.

    I am sorry to be so harsh on this film, especially as it is so popular. But thses so called Indian traditons, which the film makers show so approvingly, cause a great deal of misery and pain in real life. A lot of young Asian girls in England killed themselves in the 70s rather than go through arranged marriages.
    Take away all good looking actors, songs and gloss and this is one ugly tale.

    Beth

    Go Poonam! Fantastic comments. You raise all sorts of points I've never been able to form clearly. As a woman raised in the US, what you say resonates with some of the things I find problematic in the movie.

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