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October 01, 2006

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Sanni

I'm bored so here's more introduction film related thoughts. I showed two of my friends Sholay as their second BW film (after DDLJ, which I showed them way back when I only had DDLJ on DVD, no other films). I remain unsure on their reactions to this day. It seems like Friend #1 liked it, as her comment the next time I was bringing films over was, "Maybe something older.. I like older movies." We definitely giggled at the homoromantic implications of Yeh Dosti and everybody's eyes turned into dinner plates when came the plot twist about Thakur's character..

But I don't know if the incredible fullness of the masala format left my friends a bit puzzled. A 3-hour-long romantic film and its concept they seemed to understand and enjoy in all its cheesiness. This is all speculation on my part since I've bothered my friends enough about the whole thing and I can't start a conversation with them, asking them to dissect their viewing experience. They probably wouldn't get why I'm so into finding out how the film confirmed their previous views on Hindi films, or how it impressed them, what they were expecting, what they would've wanted to see more of, etc etc.

But I guess with introduction, the fine art it is, you can go wrong but most likely you'll go right somehow and awake some curiosity for the newbie to want to watch more.

HemaAsha

'Sholay'! The best Western in my opinion. Even though 'Mera Gaon Mera Desh' with Asha Parekh and Dharmendra was considered the first Western in Bollywood history, 'Sholay' offered something extra to the table, as a result, it is remembered by people of all ages and various cultures. The wonderful cast, consisting of Hema Malini, Dharmendra, Sanjeev Kumar, Amitabh Bachchan, and Jaya Bhaduri (never been a fan of hers) was evident. The plot of the entire movie was just impeccable and the ending very sad, yet so entertaining. The songs were absolutely amazing (i.e. Holi ke din, Yeh Dosti, Koi haseena, Jab tak hai jan, etc.). The infamous scene of Dharmendra drunk, hanging from the water tower and Hema's dance in 'Jab tak hai jan' were just too exquisite. Hema was truly a treat for the eye in that certain number. (I used to, and still do, dance to that number).

Vikrant

"Curry western"...I like the label...to add to your review... I loved the action in the film...the train sequence was remarkable especially for its time... and dialogs are fabulous...I just love the dialogs...Jay's one liners...basanti tumhara naam kya hai?...priceless......scenes where Jay talk to Mausiji for Veeru's marriage...Veeru threatening suicide...kitne aadmit the...bahot yaraan lagta hai...I think me and my dad can watch this film countless times and we have...I just love it when we complete each other in remembering the dialogs...Sholay is more then just a film for my Dad(and countless others in his generation)...I know anytime he is down..I just need a bottle of scotch and sholay to cheer him up...I think I have internalized this film to such an extent that when I am talking to my friends in Hindi... every once in a while a one liner or some reference would pop out of my mouth...Salim-Javed rocks!!...I don't think there is any other film that has occupied my vocabulary in such a way....may be Andaz Apna Apna come close.

PS: You wrote "Sholay includes countless references to contemporary American westerns like Once Upon a Time in America...".I think you meant Leon's "Once upon a time in the west" starring Hanry Fonda, right? Because "Once Upon a Time in America" was Leon's last movie that came much later(1984 thanks to IMDB).

carla

Vikrant, you are certainly right about the western titles - I've actually never seen either movie and based that comment on something I was told by someone else, who must have confused the two films.

Did one of them contain a scene very similar to the scene with the swing creaking while we wait to find out whether Gabbar Singh will spare the little boy's life?

I am a newcomer to Hindi films by any Indian standard - yet I have the feeling that one simply cannot overstate the impact of *Sholay* on Indian popular culture (at least the popular culture of the Hindi-speaking parts of India but perhaps even more broadly) - it's just *that* defining. Stories like yours underscore that point.

maxqnz

This movie is the one that defines me as an outsider. I have nothing against it, and think parts of it are very good, but it just doesn't really move me. When I'm with my desi friends and raving about Shree 420, Aag, Pyaasa, AAA or Brahmachari, they all say "and don't forget Sholay", to which I can only reply, mehh.

I can easily see *why* it was such a big hit, but it's an academic realisation, not an emotional one. Or, as seems to be the case for most desis I know, a visceral one. I do regard it as a must see movie in the literal sense of the phrase - to have any idea what Hindi cinema's about, one simply must see this movie. Maybe I'll watch it again one day, but given the choice, I'd rather watch Pyaasa.

Vikrant

Yes, that scene is INSPIRED from *once upon a time in the west*. It is Hanry Fonda's entry sequence (but without the swing). Apparently the scene in which Fonda shot the kid had to be removed from US version of the film as it was very controversial for that time and especially US audience were not ready to see Fonda in such a bad light.

Also, Jay playing harmonium is inspired from Branson's character Harmonica. The best of all, the character of Gabbar is inspired from Fonda's character Frank.

Once upon a time in the west itself was inspired(deliberately as Leon wanted to pay homage) from several US westerns like half moon , searcher etc. Almost all the sequences in this film are inspired from some or other US westerns but with special treatment from Leon.

carla

max - I think I have kind of the reverse reaction; I understand why people find *Pyaasa* beautiful but my experience of it is rather academic, and if I'm looking to watch a film for the sake of enjoying a film (rather than to be edified) I'd choose *Sholay* over nearly any other.

Vikrant - thanks for that. I know only enough about the western genre to know that *Sholay* makes many references to it, but the specifics were lost on me.

Srinivas

Love the movie and the review did justice to it as well. Just one thing - not really related to the movie - it was Shweta, the elder daughter that Jaya was pregnant with when she started shooting for Sholay. Read it in Anupama Chopra's book on Sholay. They were newly married and just back from their honeymoon - Amitabh riding on the success of Zanjeer. ;)

maxqnz

I have decided to give this one another go. Along with Andaz Apna Apna I think it will be interesting to see if I enjoy them more with slightly better Hindi comprehension.

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